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I'm still not buying the explanation that "he wont remember any of this"

first of all, Ben clearly remembered being on the island as a child, meeting Annie, etc

second of all, just because he never acknowledged knowing Sayid et al in Season 2 doesn't mean he doesn't remember them. He's manipulative remember? He might remember but keep it to himself.

Moreover, how else do you explain the fact that Ben seemed to know EVERYTHING about those five Losties (and they were the ones on his "list" that he made Michael bring to him at the end of Season 2). It would make alot more sense that he knew them back in 1977...

This would explain why Sayid wasn't on "the list" at the end of season two, while Sawyer, Hurley, Kate and Jack were.

Not buying the list thing... then, what about Jin?

"Jacob" has been telling Ben what to do all along...

"Moreover, how else do you explain the fact that Ben seemed to know EVERYTHING about those five Losties..."

In season 3 it was implied that with their spies (Ethan and Goodwin), Mikhail's contact with the outside, and the Others' resources they were able to compile a list of names of Flight 815's passengers, find out who survived, and dig up information on all of the survivors (not just the ones who are now in the past).

I think the episodes that highlight this are "The Other 48 Days", "A Tale of Two Cities", and "One of Us".

Guys, regarding the "list" from season 2. wasn't it already established why they were brought to the others? Hurley was just to go back to the losties and tell them not to come looking for them, jack was to do surgery on Ben, Kate and Sawyer were instruments to manipulate Jack into doing the surgery (or into "wanting to want to do it"). I don't think this list is of anymore significance

Richard is Thoth. ;)

Sounds an awful lot like Dick Cheney to me...

They would have, in the past 3 years, found the "wheel" by now, and I'm sure most of the security detail guys on the Island would know about it by now as well. Remember, Faraday was one of the people still around when the energy source (wheel) was first detected.

Two continuity problems: (1) There was no way Miles could know about the wheel.

Perhaps in the 3 years they have been there the wheel was discovered while building the Orchid station? We saw Faraday working at the construction right?

(2) last ep little Ben was shot in the heart, on his left side, as such he'd have bled out within minutes.

Funny, I did not see any gun shot wound until last night sio how do you know he was shot in the left side? I actually thought he might have been only grazed and a killer like Sayid should have put one in his head as he was leaving.

Final comment: Kate and Sawyer had no right to permanently turn Ben over to Alpert and the Hostiles.

Given how Roger treats the kid Ben should have been removed from his custody long ago. And since they were saving his life no one wouyld have complained as long as he returns which he does and gets to kill evrybody later in life.

Faraday has probably seen the wheel... and told Miles.. so it's possible he does know about it... hurley should be perplexed about this 'wheel' though

That was there only way of saving young ben... I imagine and alive kid is better than a dead one? And whatever consequences there were, they were willing to accept them and that roger would as well for an alive and well young ben linus

My assumption would be that since Miles was there when Locke went into the well to turn the donkey wheel and the flashes stopped after Locke fixed it, coupled with what others have said about Faraday being around to see the readings of the wheel behind the wall, he either figured it out on his own or was told about it.

Thanks guys for attempting to resolve the continuity errors, but you cannot just "assume" Miles knows about the wheel simply because he's been there 3 years! You have to remember that the wheel is not easily accessible, in fact it was so well hidden that Ben had to destroy that dark energy chamber in the Orchid to even access the tunnel to get to the frigid wheel area. And even the fact that it could "move" the island was a very very tight secret. Sorry, I have to insist this is a writers' error as is the error regarding Ben's should've-been-fatal wound.

A continuity error has to present us with something that directly conflicts with what we’ve previously seen or been told. The problem with jumping on ‘Miles knowing about the wheel’ as a continuity error is that there’s a three-year gap in which we don’t know what happened.

Things that we do know on the point of the wheel and “The Orchid”:

- From what was shown in the season 5 premiere, at some point Faraday becomes part of (or infiltrates) the mining team involved in excavating the area that will become “The Orchid” around the time they discover the wheel.

- Locke believed that Ben did something in “The Orchid” station that led to the time skips and related to the rest (including Miles and Faraday) that he believed going there was key to fixing whatever happened.

- Back in season 4 when the freighter people arrived, Faraday showed some awareness of “The Orchid” station. He had information about it written in his journal, and he became panicked when he heard over the walkie-talkie that Ben was heading towards it.

The key in all this is Faraday. We don’t know the full extent of his knowledge or how much of it he shared with the others. At this point, the writers have (purposefully) left what happened with him during the three-year gap as an ongoing mystery to be resolved. Until we have a fuller picture of that, ‘Miles knowing about the wheel’ is not a continuity error...yet.

Ben’s moving gunshot wound, on the other hand, IS a continuity error.

"Especially since Richard says Ben will forget all his time with Dharma which calls into question his later venom against them and his father. Writers aren't being consistent anymore, story isn't making the [strange] sense it used to."

There's a lot of comments like this - dissing the writers for things that haven't been fully revealed yet. Here's an idea: How about continuing to watch the show and see what happens? Maybe it will make sense. Wait till they don't pull it off in a good way to criticize.

If anything, the writers of "Lost" have one main fault - they often tend to gloss over things that lead to pivotal changes in the characters lives. For example, I thought the episode where Locke returned to try and convince the Oceanic 6 (or I guess 5, because somehow all of a sudden Aaron didn't matter) to return was really poorly written. The way the episode played out, he tried half-heartedly to convince them to return by having one conversation with them each, and after about a week he had given up hope and decided to hang himself.

Locke is a man driven by the island - he would've done EVERYTHING in his power to convince them. And what was up with the meeting with Walt? How pointless was that?

Hopefully this Ben-forgetting-things plotline won't turn out as lame, but at least give them a chance to explain it.

And, not picking on you in particular, Eludium-Q36. Just saying.