(S05E07) "I remember dying." - Locke
I was really excited for this episode. However, and it wasn't bad, but it turns out that the whole mystery surrounding John's alter ego Jeremy Bentham wasn't much of a mystery after all. The entire hour played out as a laundry list of confirmations - things that we either kind-of-sort-of knew based on past episodes or things that most avid fans of Lost assumed to be true anyway. If anything, it was a nice pat of the back because it's always a good feeling to think every now and then, "Hey, I do get this show!"
The episode was bookended by scenes back on the island, but I'll come back to those. The other 95% was a flashback to Locke's time on the mainland. It picked right up after he spoke with Christian and spun the frozen donkey wheel. He was deposited right in the middle of the Tunisian desert just as Ben was in "The Shape of Things to Come." Only this time, there was a camera aimed at "the island's exit." Someone had been waiting for him. Some Bedouins picked John up and brought him to hospital. His busted leg was reset by a doctor and Locke passed out just in time to see Matthew Abbadon watching him. When he finally came to, someone else was - Charles Widmore.
Widmore was incredibly friendly with John. He was amazed that he hadn't seen John since 1954 (Widmore was 17) and that John said it had only felt like four days. Widmore then made a few comments that bring up some good questions. One, he said he was the leader back on the island when Ben arrived. So it seems that at some point between 1954 and the early 70s (when Ben arrived), Widmore took over for Richard and Widmore claims that Ben somehow duped him into leaving the island. How did he dupe him? And why? It seems as though Ben simply wanted to lead and have the island to himself.
Now Widmore also thought that John had been duped. This was a little confusing to me - if John had been duped as well, doesn't that imply that Widmore believes Ben is still on the island? Obviously he isn't and Widmore should know that since Ben visited him in the night to threaten Penelope's life. Secondly, what is the war he's talking about? Who are the two factions (is it as simple as Widmore and Ben?) and why will the wrong side win if John isn't back on the island?
Widmore agreed to help John round up the Oceanic 6 and gave him a passport (Jeremy Bentham - surprise!) and Abbadon as a personal chauffeur. Abbadon took John around the world and using the surveillance Charles had compiled on the O6, John started making visits. It all went as you'd expect. Sayid, Jack, and Kate all flat out said no. Hurley seemed open to returning, but once he saw Abbadon, he freaked out and told John to beat it. John kept his promise to Jin and stayed away from Sun, but he only needed to convince Jack and telling him his father says hello was all it took to plant a seed of doubt.
On top of that, Locke also visited Walt. This was one of the few scenes that came as a surprise, but it turned into quite a letdown. They could have done so much more and instead they exchanged some pleasantries, Walt mentioned a dream about John wearing a suit on the island (could the foreshadowing be any more obvious?), and Locke rode the fence with his ambiguous answer when Walt asked about Michael.
Then John visited Helen's (Katey Sagal) grave. She died of a brain aneurysm in 2006. I didn't see much point to this other than it setting up Abbadon's "everyone is on a path" pep talk. Another thing about Abbadon that bugged me? He and John talked about their first encounter and how Matthew was instrumental in convincing Locke to go on the walkabout, which eventually led to him being on the island. However, if everything that happened happens, then why is it that John needed that push? Wouldn't he have ended up on the island by some other means anyway? Or did Widmore and Abbadon "put" John on the island sooner than he was supposed to have been? I realize "sooner" is a relative term with all the time-travel business, but you get what I'm saying.
After they left the cemetery, Abbadon was shot by Ben (he later admitted it) and Locke ended up back at his hotel room a failure, head in a noose. At this point, Alpert's "you're going to have to die John" quip made sense. It was his only option left - everyone had said no and John, man of faith that he is, had no other choice but to fall back on the one final thing he was told had to happen.
But then Ben showed up and talked John down. This was probably the best scene of the episode. The second that John mentioned that Jin was alive and said he had proof, you could see Ben's face twist. Then his eyes damn near popped out when John said he knew about Eloise Hawking. So Ben strangled John and set it up to look like a suicide. It made sense. Ben saw John as a threat when he started having dreams on the island. So he shot him then. Now, he saw John as a threat on the mainland. John knew everything that Ben knew and Ben needs to be in charge. Ironically, Ben at that point surely knew that John is essential to returning and he must have known that bringing him back to the island would raise him.
That's right, John is alive. Are you surprised? Of course not. On the island after the Flight 316 crash, John was strolling around, eating mangoes. They crashed on the smaller second island - Caesar was in the Hydra station and John was staring at the main one. The new Losties were questioning John about why the people in the front of the plane "disappeared." Locke obviously had a pretty good idea but he he still checked out those that were injured anyway - Ben was one of them. Wasn't much of a shock. We had just witnessed Ben kill John, so he was the logical choice.
Final thoughts/questions:
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So Ben didn't make the time jump with everyone else.
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What's Caesar's motive? He looked thrilled when he found the shotgun and the Hydra dossier. Could he be a sleeper agent for Widmore?
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Same thing for Ilana. She must have a greater purpose if we're learning her name.
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I'm still up in the air about who I trust - Ben or Widmore. They both continue to do things that make arguments for and against them. However, they both seem to agree that John is special. The only difference is that I think Widmore is comfortable with John leading. Ben isn't.
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Where did Lapidus and "some woman" go on the third boat? It had to have been someone he knew and since we know Kate is with Jack and Hurley in the 70s, I'm guessing it's Sun. It would make sense - her journey back to Jin has to have some obstacles and her not making the time jump would certainly qualify.
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I loved how John had that blanket on when he was first revealed. Looked like Darth Sidious.
So what's John going to do to Ben? My guess - nothing. They need each other now and Ben surely knew it would turn out that way. The power struggle will continue and Ben has proven time again that, despite John's best efforts, he's smarter. Next week though, we're going back to the 70s:
"LaFleur" - Sawyer perpetuates a lie with some of the other island survivors in order to protect themselves from mistakes of the past, on "Lost," WEDNESDAY, MARCH 4 (9:00-10:02 p.m., ET) on ABC.















Reader Comments (Page 1 of 4)
2-26-2009 @ 10:35AM
Usama said...
I guess it's possible that Ben visiting Widmore occurred after Locke came back? Did they ever give a firm time frame on when that happened? Also even if Ben did visit Widmore before Locke came back, Widmore could have assumed Ben left the island simply to talk to Widmore concerning his daughter's death and to make the threat.
More Importantly:
I disagree on your reasoning behind the motive for Ben 'killing' Locke. I felt as though Ben really really wanted to talk to Locke, as if Locke had information Ben needed. Obviously Locke knew he had to get everyone together AND then go see Eloise Hawking. Ben needed that name, I don't think he knew who or where Hawking was. As soon as Locke gave up that info (by Ben's manipulation of course) Ben had no need for Locke, so he staged the suicide. Except it worked out in Ben's favor because after he talked to Hawking he probably learned that Jack would need a 'proxy' for his dad and Locke was the perfect person.
I have no idea if Widmore's intentions are pure or not but from this episode I think it's a little more clear that Ben did not have the means to get back to the island until Locke came back.
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2-26-2009 @ 3:29PM
Gramster said...
Usama: Ben put Locke in "cold storage" before he met with Hawking. And it is quite clear that Mrs. Hawking already knew Ben when Jack asked if Ben was telling the truth and she stated "probably not". I think Ben had to kill Locke because of the promise he (Locke) made to Jin. Since Mrs. Hawking made it clear that ALL had to go back, the only way to accomplish that was to kill Locke so that Ben could convince Sun that Jin WAS alive.
2-26-2009 @ 10:35AM
Xusen said...
Ben, what a snake, true to his nature when he knocked off Locke, i would like to see how he talks his way out this. I liked the episode and it was good to see Walt back, even though it was short stint. Next weeks preview looked interesting as well, cant wait.
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2-26-2009 @ 10:35AM
Gordy said...
Seeing Walt was cool, but, it was even better to see Michael in a preview FOR ANOTHER SHOW!!!
Anyway, I thought this episode was excellent, albeit predictable.
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2-26-2009 @ 10:36AM
Hurley Homie said...
Most of the episode was predictable, except Ben killing John, I didn't see that coming.
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2-26-2009 @ 10:36AM
Toby O'B said...
Actress Julie Adams made her third appearance on 'Lost' with this episode, but not as her previously established character of Amelia. (Earhart?)
Previously, she played Amelia in the episode "A Tale Of Two Cities" (She's the older woman in the Others' book club), and in the "Missing Pieces" webisode "The Envelope".
But in this episode we see her in that publicity picture from "The Creature From The Black Lagoon" in that Life magazine Caesar was reading in the Hydra station.
According to the Life magazine section of Google Images, that picture was taken in 1954, the same year depicted in the episode "Jughead"....
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2-26-2009 @ 10:36AM
Echy said...
I enjoyed the episode. I think Widmore is a good guy an Ben is the bad one. There have been too many things that Ben has done to support his being evil.
Locke is obviously a Christ figure. He is special and was resurrected.
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2-26-2009 @ 10:36AM
Mike V said...
I loved this episode. Seeing Walt was great. Deep down I was hoping that he was going to have to come back to the Island.
Michael Emerson is such a great actor. The scene right before he killed Locke was so money. I had goose bumps.
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2-26-2009 @ 10:37AM
Hollie said...
Did you believe Abbadon when he said Helen died of a brain aneurysm though? Was the purpose of this not-especially-interesting scene to set up an episode where it turns out she was murdered or is alive? (It does seem necessary to show that John would want to look her up upon returning from the island.)
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2-26-2009 @ 10:37AM
Mike K. said...
So, how long is it supposed to be between when Locke first talks to Jack and when he dies? Jack sure got "beardy" in that short time.
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2-26-2009 @ 10:37AM
Reuven said...
There seem to be some discrepancies between the conversation Locke had with Jack and what Jack described to Ben back in the funeral parlor.
From http://www.lost-tv.com/transcripts/s4e13.html :
BEN: Did he tell you that I was off the island?
JACK: Yes, he did.
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JACK: He told me... that after I left the Island... some very bad things happened... and he told me that it was my fault... for leaving... and he said that I had to come back.
In what we saw last night, Locke didn't tell Jack that Ben was off, or that any bad things happened.
And earlier in the same episode, to Kate:
JACK: Yes, Kate, I did, because he said that that was the only way that I could keep you safe... you and Aaron.
Locke didn't say any of that last night, either.
Is this simply an error? Seems odd that the writers wouldn't even try to make the conversation match what was described earlier. Unless there was another conversation we weren't shown?
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2-26-2009 @ 1:18PM
Jussup said...
I completely agree... also, when Walt and Hurley met up at Santa Rosa they were talking about meeting up with Jeremy Bentham... from what we saw they had no way of knowing Locke was going by an alias (or am I missing something?)
2-26-2009 @ 5:17PM
gabbyd said...
yes, i agree. they should resolve this at some point...
2-26-2009 @ 10:38AM
cdawg said...
Millions of new questions from tonight.
1) Ben didn't know how to get back to the island did he? he needed to know the name Eloise Hawking, which is why he kept John alive long enough to reveal the name. But why he had to kill John instead of letting John hang himself after spilling the beans is beyond me.
2) Seriously confused about the donkey wheel - again. So we know that the donkey wheel is the way you are banished from the island forever right? Ben pushed it and was banished, same goes for John. HOWEVER when Ben pushed it, he wound up in Tunisia, just like John, but went to a hotel where they knew him - meaning that he's been to Tunisia a whole lot in his life, meaning that he's probably pushed the donkey wheel before and WASNT banished!
3) How in the world have Ben, Richard, Mr. Friendly, etc etc etc been getting on and off the island otherwise. I can only assume it was the submarine. HOWEVER, Mr. Friendly visited Michael off the island after the submarine exploded, so how did he do it? Did he banish himself in order to speak to Michael?
4) Why didn't Sun make the time jump?!
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2-26-2009 @ 1:19PM
Jussup said...
Ben told Locke pushing the wheel would never allow him to get back to the island. You know Ben... Mr. Truthful and Forthcoming... I think he told Locke that so that he would keep John from ever trying to push the wheel himself down the road out of fear of never being able to get back. Just a theory, but it would seem to make sense.
2-26-2009 @ 1:46PM
cdawg said...
Ok that is certainly plausible, but then how did Ben actually banish Widmore?
And if Ben knew that the donkey wheel doesn't actually banish someone from the island, why doesn't he just go back the way he left?
2-26-2009 @ 5:17PM
Sarah said...
Maybe Sun doesn't need to come back. Locke wasn't planning to bring her back
2-26-2009 @ 10:57AM
La Wrence said...
I don't think that Ben knew that John would resurrect. Ben figured John can’t be killed ON the island; meaning if he killed John on the mainland the island would not be able to make him alive. That’s why Ben suicided him.
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2-26-2009 @ 11:16AM
Doompatrol said...
Why are we to assume the crash survivors on the the little island didn't make the time jump as well?
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2-26-2009 @ 11:53AM
csb1227 said...
When Locke had the cloak on I pictured that like when Gandalf returned. Only he was wearing white. So why a black cloak?
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