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Didn't it seem like D had a flashback when she picked up the jacks just like the others? That would make her a Cylon. And Starbuck being resurrected in same shape or form would ostensibly make her a Cylon. And all the skeletons are Cylons. So are they getting at everyone in the fleet is some form of Cylon? I think they all must be some sort of Cylon/Human hybrid and would take place before "our" present day, making us, the viewers, the descendants of these people.

Reading too much into this already? Frack yes.

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Was kinda hoping a black person would make it to the end.. I was praying that Dualla was a cylon... sigh... Maybe Number 4 will have a bigger role. What ever happened to Lt. Danny 'Bulldog' Novacek he still part of the fleet?

Anyone else have an "Oh its Ellen?" moment? Reveal wasnt as crazy I envisioned in my dreams.. thank goodness for Dualla's death or i wouldnt have been shocked in this episode..

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Ok... wow... but is Ellen really the final Cylon? Was it really Earth they landed on? It just seemed a little too convenient that they revealed Ellen so soon or was it just the machinations of a crazy old drunk who saw what he wanted to see? This show is so twisty in so many other ways that it would seem they have not actually revealed the final Cylon... I actually guessed Ellen months ago but now I'm wondering if it's just a ruse to eventually reveal Starbuck as the final. Did you see how freaked out Leoben was?
Now... Earth... really? Or... was it the planet the Cylons called Earth? If Cylons had been part of the human race for thousands of years it stands to reason their history has been re-written to point the way to this Earth and perhaps not the Earth of the human race.
This show really fraks with your mind.
Poor Dualla... didn't see that one coming at all. I really liked her.

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I don't think its OUR earth but a planet that they called earth. My theory is: they are in a cycle that lasts approx 2000 years. Each time they fail to get "it" right-I guess "it" being living in peace with each other one side rises up and they then begin a new cycle. 2000 years ago the cylons lived and then 'humans' rose up and nuked them. 2000 years later a cycle repeats this time the colonials are nuked by the cylons. They are at the end/beginning now of a new 2000 year cycle.
Also think Ellen is maybe reborn from Tigh's killing her as that 6 he impregnated.

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In the last scene, it is "revealed" that Ellen is the final Cylon. Tigh says, "You're the fifth . . ."

I wonder if there is a more important statement in that scene. Ellen says, "Everything's in place."

It's as if she knew that there was a master plan, and all the arrangements have been made. The way she speaks also seems to imply that the Tigh of 2000 years ago did NOT know about this. He may not have even known back then that he was a Cylon.

The writers and producers of this series have been fracking with our minds for the last several years. This type of abuse is enexcusable . . .

. . . And I can't wait for it to continue next week.

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I'd love a last twist where Ellen isn't the 12th, and it's really a Six in Tigh's flashback scene, in the same way that that happened when he was having sex with the Six when she was in captivity. But it won't happen. But it would be cool, they've established that happening before with Tigh.

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It would seem that cylons in human form have been around a lot longer than it seems. In season 1 it was said that they evolved, well this cannot be the case as they where around 2,000 years ago. this means that the 12 human cylons came to caprica to lead the tin cans to destroy Carprica.. lets see why? maybe because there planet was destroyed by someone and they blamed humans on Caprica
may

now the human cylons think there is only 12 but the starbucks thing throws a wrench in this unless she was the leader of the bad cylons thats distroyed the old earth..hench the death comment and how that other cylon at the raptor got scared and ran

I got a feeling that all of them are Cylons created by the lost race

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What a great episode! Mary McDonnell, Edward James Olmos, and Michael Hogan turned in Emmy-worthy performances. All three are long overdue for some recognition of their great acting on this series; Hogan especially has been fantastic these last two seasons. I have to say I was a little disappointed and not too surprised that Ellen Tigh was the fifth Cylon. Moore and company eluded to that last year when Saul was confusing Six with Ellen. Still, I thought it was the easy choice rather than a revealing one.

There was so much crammed into this episode and really all the main cast and a few of the supporting players were given room to really shine. Kandyse McClure was exceptional, probably the first time I've seen the actress really shine in any role she's played. However, I thought her suicide was a waste of the character, but true to a series that just can't allow it's characters to be happy long. One actress wasted in this episode was Lucy Lawless. After being boxed for who knows how long, D'Anna comes out of deep sleep, unites the secessionist Cylons, and takes everyone to what they believe is Earth. And in the end, she just chooses to stay on "Earth" and slowly starve to death -- unless Tigh's little speech talked her out of it. A waste of a great actress and one of the more interesting Cylons.

Those quibbles aside, this was simply a beautiful episode to watch. A great example of what makes BSG one of the greats.

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What if Starbuck is just a younger version of Ellen?
There was a younger version of Tigh in the flashbacks...

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Huh! So the earth was inhabited by human form Cylons 2,000 years ago when the earth was hit by a massive blast which killed everyone?
Q: Was this blast caused by humans to kill off the humaniod Cylons? Ergo the Cylons attacking Caprica was a form of "tit for tat" revenge operation?

Then again at the start of BSG we were told that the metal Cylons were created by the colonists only a few centuries B4 and that these morphed into the 12 human form Cylon models. Huh????

These 2 sets of facts totally contradict each other. (One wonders how this will fit with the new show of life on Caprica 50 years B4 BSG....).

Starbuck: How did her ship seemingly be hit by a blast in another Galaxy yet crash in another Star system and on earth? How was she reformed, like a reborn Cylon, given a brand new BSG type ship with an electronic guide to help her bring the fleet back to earth?
And why is everyone so down when some entity (for want of a better word) is OBVIOUSLY guiding the fleet to earth and surely must at some it reveal itself?

Faith has held the fleet together and now is suddenly lost B4 the above riddle is solved?

Theory:

Leaving alone the problem that human Cylons seem to have both been created only 50 years AND that they also were on earth 2,000 years ago... If humans destroyed the Cylons who inhabited earth, they must be around somewhere, have guided the colonists back home for a reason. And they have the ability to recreate life as in starbuck (and current spacecraft) then they may well be able to "save" those who died after just reaching the earth.

Some intelligent form is monitoring and guiding the fleet towards an end purpose yet nobody has picked this up. Why not?
Dualla's suicide seemed so out of character it was shocking. There seems more to her actions and "death" than we yet know IMHO.
Starbuck questioning who she is is both understandable and strange. She knows how the Cylons get reborn into another similar human form so she MUST have gone thru the same process. Thus she IS Starbuck in a new body not merely another copy.

IMHO the strong messge that wil come out is that prejudices against lifeforms which are different is unacceptable and that the future is to embrace each other....and work and live in unison.

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Everyone should take the time to read this; appreciate just show much work goes into an episode this great:

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/01/final-fifth-cylon-ellen-tigh-battlestar-galactica-dualla-dee-.html#more

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I totally fell for the the Dualla reveal. The whole episode I was just waiting for it (even after her death, I was sure the surprise ending was going to be her waking up in a pod - until I remembered about the Resurrection Hub).

The Cylons were based on humans? Is that something that was in the dialogue that I missed? I assumed (especially from Ellen's comments) that they - at least the five - were Cylons when they were on Earth, in their flashbacks.

I'm really curious to see where this whole "Ellen is the last Cylon" thing goes. I've no doubt that, if this is true, she's alive and out there somewhere (she did die well before the Cylons lost their ability to resurrect), but Ellen Tigh as a character has always been far more important in death than she ever was in life.

Wild, crazy, speculative theory - Kara "Starbuck" Thrace is the daughter of Saul and Ellen Tigh.You heard it here first!

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For a question that has been hanging through the entire series learning that Ellen Tigh is the twelveth was underwhelming. Could there be more then twelve? Meaning there were intially twelves cylons, but that doesn't mean that newer models have not since been made. Ok, let's say there are twelve and that's it. Dualla was/is probobly on of my favorite characters. Any episode where she wore a dress and had her hair down, lovely. I did consider that maybe D was the final cylon. She realized her true nature, didn't want to face it and thus did what she did. I think also that perhaps in the end the series will say something to the effect that when humans create advance technology they end up only using it to destroy themselves, and the cylon race believe they won't end up like that, which is unlikely, any time technology is created, we ask how can we use it to make a more powerful weapon.

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hey everybody.

just found this site. i'm diggin it. i've got a theory. tell me what you think.

we know the five are from earth. what if the human cylons are the progression of us today. we are only a few decades away from using biomechanics in our bodies now and humans have gotten to the point of downloading their minds into new biomechanical bodies. if you noticed those centurians, the looked a lot like the original cylons from revelations and BSG of the 70's. they had skeletons because they were test subjects. i believe that the centurion cylons grew to be sentient. a bridge created by humans because they were readily available. once humans found a way to download their minds into the cloned bodies, centurions saw the writing on the wall. they were going to become extinct unless they could get that technology and use it themselves. humans had no idea that the centurians were sentient until it was too late. humans had finally unlocked the door of immortality; cloning their bodies, living their lives, including having children, and downloading their minds into new bodies in their old age or just before death. the centurions saw that tech as a threat and exterminated the humans. in one of the last episodes of last season, baltar planted that seed in one of the centurions and one of the sixes had to say please in order to get them to obey them after they removed their inhibiters. centurians are not dumb, thug robots. that is what scares the cavils so much. ellen is key, but only with tigh. i think she worked at the research lab that developed the mind downloading tech. we know how devious she is and she placed her and tigh's dna into the lab for safe keeping. the other three were the children of the original scientists or part of the research team. those scientists saw the end coming and set up an escape plan. after the holocoust, the three left earth in the hope of returning back: carrying their research with them along with human embryos for cloning and seeding another planet. the tempel of the five was not a map to earth, it was a map from earth. the algae planet was the first planet they settled before they found kobol. the 5 are the originals with hellen and tigh being stowaways. the 5 don't remember anything because just like any computer, you only use the programs you need at any given time. those files were buried so deep and were covered over by new data only to be accessed when opened. all along the watchtower was an open file click. they lived their lives just like everybody else until just before death, download into another body and start over on a new colony or city and no one would be the wiser. they started a new colony of humans from the original embryos of humans brought from earth. tory and ellen could have gave birth to enough children on the planet to start a new colony and then let nature take it's course. that is basis of colonial religion. they had cylon parents but they were not cylons so they began to worship them as gods as they never seemed to die. after a few centuries the 3 just faded into the human population growing old, downloading, until it just became automatic and they forgot what they were. the 7 were created by centurions developed from one of the 3 unwittingly. when he or she developed a new centurion, in the 12 colonies some of their programming was introduced into them to make them function more efficiently. once that door was opened, there was no way to close it. as far as starbuck; i think that
she is a clone. there are still cylons on earth. probably living underground. earth cylons are cyborgs. even though they have a metal shell, they have tissue under it. remember, the fleet has only been there for a few days now. there are plants on earth. so there there must still be insect life there. some cylons survived. they are just hiding. they detected her viper crash, found her dead or dying got some dna and cloned her. pumped her for info and sent her back to draw the remaining humans in to exterminate them not knowing of the cylons. i think that is what rossillin is talking about in the snippit " I'M COMMING FOR ALL OF YOU!"

we shall see.

tell me what you think

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