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The only thing I can figure out about the son is that he potentially could have been killed had he still been there. Patty didn't count on him lying about where he'd be.

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This was awesome! The is a great show, I hope it comes back as well....A couple of thoughts....

About the son, did he see the guy or Uncle Pete? Does he know that is was his mom who tried to have Ellen killed?

Also, if they open a criminal trial for David's killer/Frobisher, is the tape out because of the non-disclosure agreement?

I loved the irony of the statue being their hiding place and David's murder weapon.

WHAT A GREAT SHOW!!

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I think there is more to the stillborn baby story - there is a connection to Frobisher somewhere in there. Also, there is some link between Patty and Frobisher from their past. Remember when Patty was walking out of Frobisher's apartment after blackmailing him, and Frobisher asks "Why do you hate me so much?" Patty froze for a split second. There's definitely a reason why Patty hates Frobisher. He did something to her way back when - whether directly or indirectly, he's responsible for some dark secret in her past and he's paying for it. I don't believe Frobisher is dead either. Paralyzed, perhaps - but not dead.

Don't be so sure about that the man who entered Patty's apartment was there to kill Ellen. As we've discovered in this series - a lot of things are not as they originally appear to be. The intruder didn't have a gun, and remember, Ellen is the one who came flying down the stairs and ran for the knife to protect herself from whom she only assumed was there to kill her. They struggled with the knife - but we don't know for sure that he was actually there to kill her.

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I loved the series, but I think fx should let it be.

Why drag us through another season only to find out that Hollis is working for Patty after all and Ellen is being set up again?

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I didn't quite get what was the reason Patty wanted Ellen killed?

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The problem with these types of shows is that there is about 2-hours of great content and interesting storylines forced into a 13 (or 22) episode run. The rest is flash-forwards and back stories meant to utterly confuse us, make the show intriguing and keep us guessing.

I think FX and Damages did a pretty good job making it all work. However, the showdown was pretty anti-climatic. No big surprises and maybe that's okay. I do agree that it did a wonderful job setting up season two. And I will be there, especially if they can keep up the terrific casting (Glenn Close! Ted Danson! et al.).

Now onto the other great FX series. Nip/Tuck. Nice to see that it starts next week.

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I think could've possibly been the best way end the season. We got answers to all of the big questions, so we're left satisfied. I do want to see more, but if they close the book at this point, I'm happy with the result. And yet they set up a second season perfectly. That's a hard thing to accomplish, so kudos to the creative ofr managing to walk that line so perfectly.

Also, did anyone else catch the casting of Mario Van Peebels as one of the FBI agaents? I noticed that he directed about half the episodes of this season as well, so it was cool to put him in front of the camera for a change.

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There are things that are open questions which I can't help believe are there for next season unless I am really missing something
1- How does Patty's stillborn baby fit into this whole scenario?
2- Who did Patty intend to kill - Ellen, I assume because she thought her son would be away for the weekend. However, she seems to be the type of person that would make doubly sure that things went as she intended, so it seemed rather sloopy that Michael was not really accounted for with either her or her husbnad.
3- How did the bad cop Rick fit in with Frobisher? Did he also connect to the DA?
4- Why was it significant that George has known Frobisher for 40 years? What was there past connection, before this case?
5- Does all of this somehow connect them to Patty and her past and her dead baby?
6- Is any of this related to Patty's enmity for the lawyer'sfather.
7- Is the FBI investigation related to past Patty dealings related to prior dealings between these parties, or just a general course of conduct?
8- How does Patty get around her non-disclosure
agreement?
9- Securities fraud is a federal offense and Frobisher was being investigated by SEC and fed's so how does this play into Patty giving information to DA?

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I thought this was the best new series I have seen in a long itme but there are some remaining questions that I am not sure would be answered in season 2.
1- What is the significance of Patty's stillborn baby? They made a point to let us know the date of May 1972 many times. I assume that is important.
2- It is not definite that the man came to kill Ellen. Maybe he was looking for the tape that Ellen might have. He did not have a weapon. I assume it has nothing to do with Patty's son, because she thought Michael was going to be away. If she were really plotting to kill Ellen in her own apartment wouldn't she have made more definite plans for Michael, like having him with her or her husband?
3- What is the significance of the previous relationship between Frobisher and Moore, they have know each other 40 years?
4- We know Rick the bad cop has a relationship with Frobisher, does he work for the DA in some capacity?
5- Why would PAtty give the tape to the DA rather than US Attorney who would have jurisdiction over securities fraud case and who was previously investigating Frobisher?
6- Why is there old animosity between Frobisher's counsel and PAtty?
7- What is FBI investigation Patty about - is it related to other cases, Frobisher or something entirely different?
8- What is Patty's history with Frobisher?

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Does anyone think that the land that he wanted to keep, and was talking about developing to his son, is anything more than just a way for him to start over, or is it more sinister?

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I think he wanted the land to be his legacy by building a new company there since his book didn't work out. He is just a sad egotistical man.

it was good season finale in that they wrapped up some things, but pretty subdued compared to other episodes.

anyone notice lila wasn't in last night's episode? i missed that psycho.

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As for the folks who doubt that the guy in the Hewes apartment may have NOT been there to kill Ellen, remember that he gave the dog a treat and put him out on the balcony.

Plus Uncle Pete led him up in the elevator...

Both seem like killing moves to me.

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Excellent season finale! Hope there will be more. What I am wondering is this: where are the pants (they looked like cutoff sweats) that Ellen was wearing when she ran out of Patty's apartment? When she emerged from the elevator and ran outside all bloody and all, they were gone. Did she leave them in the elevator?

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oh oh, reading thru the other comments, i had another idea - perhaps it was the husband who arranged for the killing (of either patti or ellen, or both!) coz he seemed extremely annoyed that the son had come home, more annoyed then patti was.

son or husband, either way patti had it all cleaned up to protect them/her.

just seems to me patti and ellen are alot closer than they should be - as if things have happened that we've not seen yet - coz ellen takes liberties that imo you wouldnt take with your boss, not ever, letalone within the first 6 months of working with em!

the daughter angle seems implausible coz '72 would make ellen, what? 35? while she certainly looks 35, she is nonetheless just outa law school so unless she started late...

you could speculate forever on this stuff, but i doubt even the writers have decided a direction.

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Ten bucks says Patty was date-raped in 1972 by Frobisher who doesn't even remember the event, and the still-born baby is the product of that event.

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As far as her son, she thought he would be away. She didn't expect him to come back.

Also I don't think Rick has any connection to the DA, the DA just wants to get re-elected and solving murders in affluent areas would do that. The DA is a honest, just politically driven, he dropped the case with the promise that Patty gives him the tape.

As far as the non-disclosure agreement, what would Frobisher say 2 years later, Patty showed me than so I settled? He can't, she can claim Frobisher knew it existed and that it was unaccounted for, but she didn't have it.

I do think Patty and Frobisher have something in their past, I think it might be the baby. Maybe she blames him for it being still born, or he was starting his empire and didn't want to get married and she was a fling. They did show the babys name was Julia Hewes, so she probably wasn't married. Since 1972 was before she was a famous attorney and it was not necessary to keep her name.

Someone mentioned why did he want to keep the land. Was it something sinister, I think it may be. He might bury people there. Frobisher likes to play the "who me" alot. He plays as a business smart, but ignorant person. He likes to pretend he is clueless, when he has as much forethought as Patty. When we saw him and George Moore, George called him out. So as dumb as he sounds when Rick says someone is taken care of, Frobisher knew exactly what was going on.

I do think that Patty tried to Ellen. She had no idea the tape existed, she didn't feel remorse at how they made Ray kill himself, but Ellen did, she thought Ellen would feel guilty and spill the beans. She didn't want to kill Ellen, but she would do what she had to. That is why after she got the phone call, she started freaking out. If they were looking for something or there for some other reason, why would she be freaking out.

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I agree with ##1&2 posters about Patty's son.
It is a set up for season 2 - he probably saw either Pete or his goon in the building.
I also second some of the previous posters who said that Patty's reasoning for killing Ellen is somewhat questionable: to kill her only because she was sorry for her previous actions? Isn't it too much? It's one thing to kill a dog, quite another to kill a human being.

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Does anyone know what company Frobisher owned? Maybe his company (or his products) had something to do with Patty's baby?

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Regarding the questions about the nondisclosure agreement, it is contractual between the parties to the agreement. The fact that Patty violated it (assuming they had already signed it) would not bind the DA, who would probably say it came to him anonymously.

Also, going back to the episode where Ray shot himself, I think the producers left open the possibility that Ray taped his conversation with Patty, walked out of the room, slipped it into a pre-posted envelope and dropped it into a mail chute. Three reasons: It explains why he left the room and came back in, why the writers had Patty be so specific about the blackmail during the conversation, and for irony/symmetry with the Gregory Malina tape.

The story could have been more effectively told in fewer episodes, but I really liked it overall. I hope Glenn Close and Ted Danson get some award consideration.

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