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Adam wrote: If you want to impress me, find an actually overweight actress who really understands what it's like to be an outcast.

An outcast by CHOICE. This is akin to some kind piercing himself and dying his hair blue, then having the temerity to whine that people treat him like a freak. You know, the simple fact is, he chose to set himself apart and in MOST instances people CHOOSE to be fat. They don't exercise, eat healthy or eat in moderation.

FWIW, as someone who has a body designed by genetics/disease I DO know what it feels like to be an outcast. Unlike most fat people I had no choice. They do and their whining is annoying as f^ck to people who must really work to keep walking, let alone something as easy as staying thin.

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Excuse me, BGDC, all overweight people do NOT CHOOSE to be fat. That is the most ignorant reasoning that I've ever heard. Staying thin is not easy. I'm sorry that non-genetically inclined fat people piss you off so much, but you complain about fat people complaining...talk about the kettle calling the pot black...jesus.

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I'm gonna assume that she is not wearing the suit for the entire movie and that we see her as she would normally look in order to show the contrast of how she is treated when she looks like herself and then how she is treated when made to look fat. That would be a reason not to hire an overweight actress to play the part. How would they make her skinny for the scenes that require it?

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I couldn't agree more that BGDC's remarks regarding overweight people are some of the most ignorant statements I've ever seen.

As someone who was obese for almost all of my life, I can say without any doubt that I never wanted to be overweight. I lost over 110 lbs a couple of years ago and keeping it off is the hardest thing I've ever done. Far, far harder than losing the weight. It's harder than quitting smoking and drinking (I did both years ago). I exercise daily, riding a bicycle 8-10 miles, I work with weights, do situps, pushups and several other exercises compiled by a trainer/physical therapist.

Not only do I exercise seven days a week, but I have to eat less than most other people of the same weight/age/activity level as myself. If I slack off my exercises even a bit, or indulge myself in a favorite meal, I have to work even harder. It's not simply a matter of being a "lazy pig" like so many ignorant people seem to think.

Fat people seem to be one of the last groups to get any respect and sympathy. It's not okay to make fun of someone because of their race or physical impairment. It's a no-no to make jokes at the expense of someone from another country, or about stereotypes of women or men. Almost everything's off-limits these days when it comes to disparaging remarks.

When it comes to the overweight, though, it's an unlimited party of sarcasm, cruelty and unabashed meanness for the sake of a laugh and it's mostly because of rampant ignorance with regards to weight problems. Fat people aren't the one with the real problems, it's the clueless loudmouths who need help.

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Monstromart wrote: Excuse me, BGDC, all overweight people do NOT CHOOSE to be fat.

You should take a reading comprehension course, friend. I wrote:

"...and in MOST instances people CHOOSE to be fat."

See that MOST? I wouldn't write all because that's ignorant. But most people, yeah, most fat people made the decision to be fat.

Monstromart: "Staying thin is not easy. I'm sorry that non-genetically inclined fat people piss you off so much, but you complain about fat people complaining...talk about the kettle calling the pot black...jesus."

They CHOOSE not to exercise. They choose to eat large portions. They CHOOSE to eat unhealthy/process foods. You make a CONSCIOUS decision what to put into your body. Will it be the salad with tofu or the fried chicken? Will it be fresh greans and a side of meat or will it be fast food? Will it be a can of coke or a glass of water? There's a choice to be made.

The vast majority of Americans CHOOSE to go the route of no exercise, poor food choices and large quantities.

CHOICE...

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BGDC, blaming people for being fat is like blaming people for being poor. Hypothetically could they change their circumstances? Yes. Is it easy? No. If you're born in the ghetto it's harder to work your way out than if you're a trust fund baby. If you're born into an environment that enourages obesity or are genetically predisposed to being fat it's a lot harder to become thin. Not impossible, but still hard. So saying it's a *choice* is naive. Yes, we make choices everyday that determine what we become, but those choices aren't necessarily easy to make if other forces in life are pushing us in a different direction.

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Nick wrote: Not only do I exercise seven days a week, but I have to eat less than most other people of the same weight/age/activity level as myself. If I slack off my exercises even a bit, or indulge myself in a favorite meal, I have to work even harder. It's not simply a matter of being a "lazy pig" like so many ignorant people seem to think.

Wait a second, you just expressed exactly what it takes to stay healthy. You know what it takes. You have to make the conscious decision to be healthy.

Nick wrote: "When it comes to the overweight, though, it's an unlimited party of sarcasm, cruelty and unabashed meanness for the sake of a laugh and it's mostly because of rampant ignorance with regards to weight problems. Fat people aren't the one with the real problems, it's the clueless loudmouths who need help."

No, the overweight need to realize that their decisions about foot and exercise have an impact on their body shape. You even stated above that you know you must exercise and watch what you eat. You have the tools and so do all the other people in this country. You must either do what's healthy or give into your desires and thus face the consequences: diabetes, heart disease, ridicule, etc.

FWIW, I view smokers with the exact same disdain. They chose to smoke their nasty cigarettes, so they cannot complain for an instant about the health problems they get or the scorn they receive.

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BGDC,

You're still showing your ignorance on the subject of obesity. For me to keep my weight down, I have to work *harder* than the average person, I have to eat *less* food than the average person. Even with all that, while I'm no longer obese, I'm still overweight. If I were to eat and exercise at the same levels as an average person of similar age/weight/activity level as myself I'd gain weight like I was on a binge!

You're still blathering on as if it were a simple choice, when there' a lot more to it than that. You say you know what it's like to be an outcast because of genetics, yet you cannot seem to fathom that for many obese people genetics is the reason they're like they are and, therefore, outcasts. Ironically, while you find yourself in the same "genetic boat" as many obese people, you're the bearer of the very attitude that causes these genetically-inclined obese people (of which I'm part) to be outcasts.

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Erosia,

Taking away personal responsibility is feeding into the problem. Do you see the problem with saying it's okay to be fat? To declare obesity worthy of victim status?

We are the fattest nation on earth and everyone in here is excusing that - it's economic, it's education, it's genetic, etc. Weird how we have 150 million people deprived of education, decent genes and money yet Mcdonald's continues to make record profits and all over the world (the genepool that feeds ours) every other nation is thinner.

There's no shame in obesity anymore. There are excuses for obesity but not shame.

Go ahead and call me the bad guy. Unfortunately, all our tax dollars will go to support the heart disease and diabetes that goes along with obesity. We're all paying for it.

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Nick,

You're whining. You seem to be saying it's just not fair you must work harder to stay thin than others.

Nick wrote "For me to keep my weight down, I have to work *harder* than the average person, I have to eat *less* food than the average person."

That's life, buddy. We're all different but there's no reason 50%+ of the nation is obese, while most nations don't see numbers coming nearly as close.

Do you ever drink soda?
Eat potato chip/toritlla chips?
Eat foods with cream sauces?
Eat at fast food/casual dining (McDonald's, Chilis, TGIF, Olive Garden, Red Lobster)?


" cannot seem to fathom that for many obese people genetics is the reason they're like they are and, therefore, outcasts."

Actually, I said MOST for a reason. Most people are fat by choice. most are not genetically given to glandualar problems until after they've been obese so long that they have fundamentally altered their bodies.

You have expressed that you know what you must do to remain healthy. Who is at fault if you don't do those things?

For instance, you have two men. One man (Man A)has normal blood sugar. The other (Man B) doesn't and he must take incilin and watch his diet - he was born this way. If Man B eats what he likes and doesn't take his shots, he will die. He makes the decision to avoid his shots and dies. Who is at fault? Man B made a clear decision. His life was MUCH harder than Man A but Man B KNEW the consequences of his actions - no matter how difficult, if he didn't follow a strict plan he would die.

What you are suggesting is that because Man B has a harder row to hoe; thus he is not personally responsible to HIMSELF and his own welfare.

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Wow! Would you be this close minded and such a jerk if someone that you loved was obese BGDC? Probably so, huh. I guess, whatever is wrong with you has just made you cold and intolerant of others no matter if it is medical or not.

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I'm far from whining, I'm illustrating how genetics plays a part in obesity. I'm stating the facts and never said anything about the "fairness" of it, it's simply my lot in life. You just want to argue, apparently, because you hate fat people.

I eat no fast foods, chips, sodas, etc. In fact, I don't eat sugar at all. I cook and prepare most of my own meals, but I always have. Even with that, weight is difficult for me to keep off. I'll add that you *should* be able to understand that I'm typing that as a matter-of-fact and not expressing grief over it since you seem to infer that my statements are somehow whining.

You're still ignoring the genetic side of this so that you can rail against fat people as if they're some kind of pariah. You want shame in obesity, even though it is, in many cases, genetic, but I don't suppose you think you should feel shame for your genetic shortcomings. I'm sensing a lot of hatred toward fat people and wondering where you get the idea that "most" people are fat by choice. I'm not arguing that because I suspect the same thing, it's just irresponsible to claim such a thing as if it's fact when you're only making an assumption.

No matter what, you're displaying hatred rather than understanding and that's never a good thing. I'm guessing you're rather young. Time and age should mellow you.

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Whether or not it's MOST or ALL overweight people, NO ONE...NO ONE wakes up in the moring and thinks to themselves "I'm going to become fat." NO ONE, BGDC. It is absolutely absurd to assume that.

The point to be made in all this is that overweight people do not deserve your ridicule, they do not deserve to be outcasts because of their weight. That is the point to be made. You make the reference to the diabetic man. Tell me, BGDC, does Man B get ridiculed for being Diabetic? Hmm? No, I don't think so, therefore your entire argument is invalid. The point doesn't even correspond to the obesity debate.

By the way, all the tax money getting spent on Heart Disease and Diabetes research isn't due to obese people, my father developed diabetes late in life WITHOUT being obese, many people get heart disease without being overweight. It happens, get over it.

You say, "There's no shame in obesity anymore. There are excuses for obesity but not shame."

There are no excuses, there are REASONS, be they genetic or overeating or no excercise. There should NEVER be shame in being obese, but sadly because of closed-minded individuals like yourself there always will be.

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Hey! I just had a thought (it was bound to happen sometimes).

I bet we all could agree that Kaley Cuoco is darned cute, to say the least.

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Montromart -

Fine. I'm closeminded. It's all good with me - save for having to put up with fat people on flights.

Ya ever been outside this country? Go live in Asia or Europe for awhile and then come back to the USA. The moment you get off a plane at JFK, Dulles, DFW, Ohare you'll know straight away you're in the USA - the BMI just shot way the hell up instantly.

Ask yourself why EVERY other nation is thinner than the USA? Then blame genetics. lol

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Wow, Is BGDC taking on the whole room? He is right that most people are fat cause they won't do anything about it. I saw someone post that no one wakes up and says i want to be fat..true.. but a lot of people think I'm tired of being fat and do nothing about it.

Nick if 8-10 miles isn't enough then do 12 miles or do the eliptical instead at a high resistance..it burns more calories.

Of course loosing weight is harder then quitting smoking or drinking..1st you need to eat and no one needs to smoke or drink...2nd quitting those 2 things is just having enough self control...loosing weight requires self control and not being lazy.

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