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I don't think it's time to mention this, because of events happened in Europe

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what events?

i am a muslim in the UK, and the thing i LOVE about south park is that they aren't scared to make fun of certain groups because they know that by not "dissing" a certain group due to the political climate is just as bad as raacism!

the same goes for the daily show, i mean every other show is scared to cuss jews for fear of being called a nazi, but the daily show and colbert report dont care and that, for me, shows that they are they are the least racist show on TV.

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"1. I don't think it's time to mention this, because of events happened in Europe"

What are you, a boardmember at Border's Books?

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Actually, I'm sure that it is precisely because of events that happened in Europe--I assume Tract means the Danish cartoon controversy--that those SP dudes created the storyline to begin with. And if there was one ep of SP to find offensive this season, this was SO not it. Mild, truly, at least as far as the Matt-and-Trey genre of news-skewering is concerned. But if you don't like it, the solution advocated on the show (no spoilers here) is a good idea.

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south park should stick to bashing cristians this way they wont risk being murderd,when they attack christ and christans they are forgiven, not so with muhammed and musslims they seem to belive in murder, why? would god who created all things tell us to murder one another because some one made a joke at its expence i think god is bigger than that, god is love satan is hate, god loves us all, satan hates us all from conception to death think about it, peace to all in gods name

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"the same goes for the daily show, i mean every other show is scared to cuss jews for fear of being called a nazi, but the daily show and colbert report dont care and that, for me, shows that they are they are the least racist show on TV."

Your borderline anti-semitism here seems to miss that Jon Stewart is Jewish.

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borderline anti-semitism, anti-christism, anti-muslimism. If anything, the comment on muslims and murder is much more anti-muslimism, and borderline ethnographic stereotyping which is really where the danger lies.

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This Jerk Who wrote this article doesn't know what the hell he is talking about. For instance the show family guy is nothing but flashback jokes that require no thought at all, but south park's humor on the other hand
is clever and well thought out when making a point on making fun of someone or some group.

What I say to all of you critics is "Screw You Guys I'm Going Home"

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musslims and murder that is not sterotyping that is fact, look at who is doing all the killing, planting bombs in cars blowing up everything and every one in site ,kidnapping people,chopping off heads and for what to prove that god is great, wrong god would not ask us to murder one another god loves us all, it is satan, satan hates every one of us and will use all fools to do its work ,and islam is full of fools, they say god is great i say prove it ,through prayer and peace ,just because satan owns america and americans, (thought i was gonna leave us out didnt you,)that doesnt give them an excuse to be evil like us, if they truly belive god is great than now is the time to prove it through prayer and peace and stop the murdering, it is time to put up or shut up for us all.

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Thomas, at least most Muslims I know aren't guilty of murdering the English language the way you just did. Seriously, have you heard of capital letters, using periods to end sentences, and a spelling dictionary?

If you're going to perpetuate racist overgeneralizations about Muslims, you might try doing it without sounding like a second grader. Otherwise nobody's going to take you seriously. And yes, everything you said IS stereotyping, no matter how you try to spin it.

Also, American soldiers have done far more killing than terrorists have (Muslims or otherwise) in the past few years, and we have complicitly let them do so -- not because of Satan, but because George Bush commanded it. So you can't really say that "musslims ... are doing all the killing".

Back to the point of the post, though. If everybody in this world would get a sense of humor, we might all get along a little better. South Park takes sacred cows and makes delicious steaks from them.

And by the way, the Catholic church demanded that Comedy Central pull a rerun of a certain South Park episode, even before the Scientologists did the same thing. So to say that "they are forgiven" when they attack Christians isn't really true.

Do your research next time.

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Although I agree with much of what GeekBoy says, I also have a bit of a problem.

When you look at who is dying and killing in Iraq you'll see that it isn't the Americans doing most of the killing. Much of the blood may be on our hands, we removed the rule of law (albeit a terrible rule of law) and there have been consequences. BUT most death there is not caused by us. The suicide bombers, the car bombers, the church bombers have together killed far more people in that country than we have.

But I do agree with GeekBoy that Thomas needs to be taken over someone's knee.

The Muslim/Murder connection is a stereotype is far more harmful than "blondes are ditzy," and horribly unfounded. I've met many peaceable and kind Muslims. There exist fundamentalists in most large faiths, I will concede that their fundamentalists are more violent than Christian fundamentalists, but it is important to note that Christian fundamentalists don't represent all Christians.

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GeekBoy's right, Thomas.

It's ignorant people like yourself that's perpetuating this stereotype of Muslims. If you'll remember, in addition to their demands to pull the menstrating virgin Mary episode of South Park, Catholics burned down several embassies worldwide. And Thomas, did you forget about that one group of Scientologists that murdered all the KFC workers in retaliation for South Park suggesting Tom Cruise was gay? Or that other group of Scientologists who suicide bombed an indistinguishably different group of Scientologists while they were worshipping Xenu on account of the "Super Adventure Club" episode?

I bet you did, Thomas. See? It's not just Muslims who are crazy fucking assholes whose ranks are supposedly filled with "moderates" who do nothing to speak out against the ignorant and deplorable minority of worshippers who are steering their faith into an inevitable full scale confrontation with tolerant, liberal, educated societies. Scientologists and Catholics are just as bad.

Thomas. Pfff. Idiot.

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Comedy Central apparently refused to show an image of Muhammad in tonight's Part II episode. The original post, pointing out that Muhammad has already been shown, is now even more interesting. It's more clear than ever that Comedy Central's real motive wasn't cultural or religious sensitivity, but was instead simply bowing to fears of the current religious and political climate. I wonder how pissed Matt and Trey are about this.

In regard to the stereotyping comments, keep in mind that Americans aren't the only people liable to make gross overgeneralizations of other cultures. There are quite obviously millions people who stereotype, and even deeply hate, Americans with a fervor that is just as unjustified as our stereotypes of them.

Though I agree that stereotypes are harmful, it would be ignorant and false to assert that, because only a very small segment of people of the Islamic faith engage in religiously-motivated violence toward Americans, that such a stereotype is a completely baseless one. Compared to other religions, it is quite statistically clear that a much greater percentage of those of the Islamic faith are committing such "terrorist acts" than Jews, Christians, Shintos, Hindus, Buddhists, and people of regional faiths.

Just because America is indeed fighting a war in the Middle East, which obviously results in the death of many of those people, does not mean it is a war largely based on religious disagreements -- an assertation which would be extremely hard to argue without a whole lot of personal opinion.

Though Thomas' post was indeed pretty poor in quality, it does not take much intelligence to realize that, when speaking of "killing," he was comparing these acts of religiously-motivated hatred, Jihad, and violence as a byproduct of religious mindset. His post is laden with images to elaborate his definition of "killing," which is a rather far trip from "casualties of war," however baseless and wrong one may consider its original intents.

Also, Zach, I have no idea how your comments about stereotypes apply. Though Thomas isn't the brighest poster, he never made any actual perpetuations of stereotypes. He stated his opinion, however unclearly, that Muslims seem to be currently more prone to committing acts of extreme religiously-motivated violence than many other religions. Nowhere did he say anything like "All Muslims are towel-headed morons," or "Muslims love to kill people, that's all they do."

Therefore, your isolated and past examples of religious atrocities of other faiths really don't apply here. Also, the wording of your post makes it seem like you're asserting that Catholics burned down foreign embassies as a reaction to the South Park episode, which is probably much more "idiotic" and patently false than anything Thomas said. In regard to the actual motives of these scientology-related murders and bombings, which you say were both directly related to reactions to South Park episodes, where are your sources? Where does it say, anywhere, that these were the true motives? It sounds to me like you're putting a lot of intent where it doesn't belong.

If you're going to call a person an idiot (which is a stereotype in and of itself), you should know that you shouldn't read his/her statements literally. I think it was pretty clear what Thomas meant by his post.

I can't really say the same for Zach and Geekboy's posts. Their words and sentences are clear and make sense, but what they're actually intending to say is a bit muddied by spurious facts and superflous examples.

I honestly think that, as a reaction to what many of you saw as Thomas perpetuating stereotypes, you yourselves actually demonstrated that act just as aptly.

Generalized, bluntly-worded personal opinions shouldn't be construed so readily as abhorrent stereotyping. I quote Hanlon's razor:

"Do not attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity."

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Its great how comedy Central will allow people to crap on the american flag but won't let them show Mohammed. So Comedy central respects arabs and hates america. I'm never watching this network again.

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Why not give evangelicals there way and just cancel the show? Oh ya because Muslims are hateful violent people and they'll kill each other if they see a cartoon.... God network execs are so f'ing stupid.

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to Triple Blah,

Zach is clearly taking Thomas's side, but with sarcasm. I can't tell if your post is sarcastic, or just couldn't quite pick up on the sarcasm.

I don't much care for that kind of sarcasm that is indiscernible.

It may be the hour, but my brain just can't quite wrap around the idea that the claim that Thomas perpetuates false/misleading/harmful stereotypes is itself proof of his point. Especially when you lump GeekBoy in with sarcastic Zach.

Their violence is different than ours. We get to use different tactics when we do organized offensives. I am certainly not siding with them, I wish they'd sit down and participate in their government, but understanding that they aren't their crazy bomb attacks give them the illusion of power.

Their organized armies fell to our forces in less than 90 days, what hope would they have for conventional warfare against us? Their tactics are atrocious, evil and foul. But the blood on their hands shouldn't be on the hands of all Muslims. Not even on the hands of most.

Zach's sarcastic attack on the 'Catholics on rampage,' brings a fine example to mind, using 'Thomas/tripleBlah' type logic: "Catholics and pediphelia that is not sterotyping that is fact, look at who is doing all the child touching and child sex."

I would never support either assertion.

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There doesn't seem to be official information yet as to if there really was a decision by Comedy Central to pull the image or not. Even if it was, people are not giving the cable channel credit.

Even though the image wasn't shown, Comedy Central allowed South Park to call them Pussy's last week and to also really make fun of them this week. I disagree with not showing the image, but I'm thrilled that Comedy Central was willing to take a bashing for it. That shows more guts than showing the image in the first place...

Hmmm, kind of like the first episode of Season 7 (with guest director Norman Lear) where Eric states that when he "flashed back" to meet the founding fathers, he found out that they wanted to be able to have a country that does one thing, but allows people to protest against it as well. (aka Having your cake and eating it too.)

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Just finished watching the episode after work.
Based on their past track record, I would say Trey and Matt planned it.
All the fighting for the 1st amendment, then not to show it, a piece of irony.
Also a way to poke fun at everyone freaking out, like they're golden rule says:
"make fun of all of it or none of it"
So that would include their fans and themselves.
"...the show has become so preachie and so full of messages, that you have forgot how to be funny..."
Another line poking fun at their change over the years, so fun.

Now I have a question....this is going to make me sound bad, but I don't get out much and I live in a hole in the wall....I am luckie if I know the weather, date, and time....
Why is it bad to show Muhammed these days?
If anyone can give me a link for an artical, get me up to date,
I would like to find out what is going on around me...thanks ^^;

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i hate muslimism and mohammed. so go ahead... kill me ... further details how to find me are at imre42@hot.ee...
the thing is I never had a problem with religions till now... but this is just absurd...

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