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The "sealed off room" in the swan station is not a "room" it's a passage to where the back end survivors are

One thing I find absolutely ridiculous it took so long to find and open the damn hatch just to finally have another easy way in..they should have to climb up and down the through the hard way in just for the sake of it

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Holland Manners from Angel is Bernard + A female is going to be killed = Bye-Bye Rose.
Fake Bernard is the Tailies Ethan Rom. Helping to thin the herd from the inside. Also since everything means something on Lost doesn't a black rose symbolize death?

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There was a much better shot of the Dharma sign for the other station, it was panned across earlier. I'll see if I can get it psoted somewhere.

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Oh, it was a little bit of filler... But we saw some of the most frenetic editing yet. The cross-cuts between Hurley's lottery revelation and in the hatch... That was nice. Also nice to see that kid from those movies, what's his name?

And I kept telling people, Jin doesn't speak English-- really! Sometimes a dream about a banana is just a dream about a banana. Let's not go fishing for red herring now, shall we?

The next big mystery as I see it: why are the Others so strong? And why do they prey upon the survivors?

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There is a better pic of the symbol for the new bunker... http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=otherdharma7kn.jpg

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Thanks, that saved me the time. Now have to see if it matches the shark, but I don't think so.

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I apologize in advance, but that other station logo looks like an arrow to me, which led me to this Dharma "Tale of the Wounded Swan" which references both swan and arrow. Just for kicks, not because I really think it means anything:

"One day as Siddhartha was walking in the garden, a wounded swan fell out of the sky and landed right at the Prince's feet. Its wing was pierced by an arrow, and the poor swan trembled with pain. The Prince ran to the wounded swam and gently picked it up. He cleaned its wounds with warm water and made a comfortable nest for the swan to lie in. He even fetched some grains of rice for the swan to eat. After he had looked after the swan attentively for several days, it grew strong again and its wounds healed. Siddhartha took it out to the garden and set it free, watching as the swan soared away into the vast blue skies."

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My theory, again, is that we are seeing Jack's hallucinations. I think that Hurley is just a dramatization of Jack's inability to be happy. Jack believes that he has no right to be happy. Only a guy with deep mental problems surrounding what he deserves in life would view the numbers than resulted in his winning the lottery as BAD LUCK.

Someone on another forum claims that if you look at the credits, the actor who played Hurley's boss in the chicken store, was the same actor who played Locke's boss in the box factory.

My position is that Locke represents a split in Jack's personality, i.e., Locke = Jack. I don't think Hurley represents a split in Jack's personality, but Hurley is a dramatization of how Jack is "beating himself up" because he, Jack, believes he has no right to be happy.

Look, a fat guy who has been on an Island with very little food blowing up a store room full of food (after he dreamed of eating all of the food himself) represents a person with very serious issues associated with his "right to be happy".

http://www.tempcity.com/bitchless/index.php?showtopic=608

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DJ Qualls from Road Trip!! And yep, the new Dharma symbol looks more like the Dharma symbol on the shark.

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned here yet... is where is the electricity coming from? It can't be a diesel/gasoline generator because it would eventually run out of fuel. It has to be nuclear, thermo-generated (from volcanic vents, which we have not seen anything from), or coming from what's behind the wall. Rule out solar or wind because that would mean some equipment in the broad daylight and that would have been found long ago.

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I thought that was the same boss!
The logo definitely looks like an arrow.
If the cement "passage" was a passages to other Dharam stations, why is there not one in The Arrow, and why is the passage right near the electromagnetic force? Dynamite anyone>?

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Has everyone totally forgotten the best scene in the entire episode? Kate comin' out of the shower! Woo! I know, pure sexism, I'm sorry, but, still...Woo!

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If I won 115 million dollars, I would hire my old boss and have him work for me in my exciting box factory. Especially if I felt guilty about the bad luck the numbers have brought - resulting in a meteorite destroying the chicken shack.

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Hey I just checked out thehansofoudation.org again and found that you can play the dharma initiative orientation film cool

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I don't understand how anyone can subscribe to the "it's all a dream" or "it's all a hallucination" theories. First of all, that would make far too many people feel cheated. What's the point of the show if it's all a dream?

Second, why would they bother having flashbacks? And who's having the flashback? Same thing with dreams -- that's a little too recursive, don't you think? Someone laying in a coma dreaming about other people dreaming about their pasts? Give me a break.

Is it really that hard to stretch the imagination and "pretend" there's really this island somewhere where all this weird stuff is going down? Sheesh, not everything is pseudo-reality TV.

Back on topic, I think this was a great episode.

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i wasn't too impressed with some of the acting and directing, mainly with the rose/hurley scenes.

but it was a good episode overall...
a few more thoughts here

http://foureightfifteensixteen2342.blogspot.com/2005/10/lotto-bitch-and-pantry.html

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I love Driveshaft being in the bargain bins. That's just the best. But I still think that using a dream sequence as a preview trailer is just wrong on a lot of levels.

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Hey...who was the guy in the chicken suit?! I'm surprised there hasn't been any discussion/speculation about that.

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There are at least two popular movies in which the whole movie turned out to essentially have been the main character's dream and/or hallucinations, Jacob's Ladder and Brazil.

In Jacob's Ladder, the main character was dreaming while dying on an operating table in Vietnam. The character's dream was that he survived Vietnam and made it back home. The whole movie was the character's dream of what his life would have been like POST-Vietnam.

Brazil. The movie Brazil turned out to be the dreams/hallucinations of the main character while he was being interrogated/tortured by government doctors. The main character's dream was about his life after he escaped from the government agents, of course in reality he never escaped from the government agents.

The tv movie Sybil (starring Sally Fields) was about a woman with split personalities. Essentially, the whole movie was flashbacks showing traumas Sybil experienced that resulted in the creation of the various splits in her personality. What is really interesting about the tv movie Sybil is that the movie showed physical manifestations of the splits in Sybil's personality and you could see that some of her personalities were male, some of them were older than her and some of them were younger than her. I think Locke and Sawyer represent splits in Jack's personality. The Walt thing is just a dramatization of a father who abandoned his son (as with Jack ans his father) but with the father doing so reluctantly (Jack's father didn't love him and simply abandoned him with no difficulty).

All of the characters on Lost represent either demons or dramatizations of traumas in Jack's life, although they may look like people Jack's actually met in his life, in my opinion anyway.

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